Ford 598 Pump Gas Street / Strip Motor

CHARLIEB July 21st 2012, 10:01 pm

Here is a list of parts that I have already bought
1. Ford Racing M-6010-A460 - Ford Racing 460 C.I.D. Siamese Bore Engine Blocks
2. Eagle Specialty Products 446045002200 - Eagle Forged 4340 Steel Crankshafts
3. Eagle Specialty Products 68003D2000 - Eagle ESP H-Beam Connecting Rods
4. Ford Racing M-6261-A460 - Ford Racing Roller Cam Bearings
5. Clevite Engine Parts MS1039V - Clevite V-Series Main Bearings
6. Clevite Engine Parts CB743VND - Clevite V-Series Rod Bearings
7. Ford Racing M-6261-A460 - Ford Racing Roller Cam Bearings
8.. Quick Fuel FX-4714 - Quick Fuel QFX-Series Carburetors 1450 cfm
9.. Quick Fuel 300-4500-3R - Anti-Reversion Plate QFX4700 2 1/4" bore
10. Trick Flow Intake TFS-54400111- A460 Intake Manifold, R-Series A460, Single Plane, Dominator
11. Crower 66219E-16 Mechanical Roller Lifters
12. Comp Cam 1838-16 - Ultra Pro Mag XD 1.8 7/6 Rocker Arms
13. COMP Cams 4017 - COMP Cams Stud Girdles 7/16 in.-20
14. Trick Flow Specialties TFS-2707 - Trick Flow® Intake Gaskets
15. Cometic Gaskets C5744-040 Head Gasket
16. Kook's Headers 5505S - Kook's Headers 2 1/8X4 S/S BLUE THUNDER
17. Meziere Enterprises WP308U - Meziere 300 Series Electric Water Pumps 55 gpm
18. Kaase Oil Pump
19. MSD Ignition 8577 - MSD Pro-Billet Distributors
20. MSD Ignition 6520 - MSD Digital-6 Plus CD Ignitions
21. MSD Ignition 8207 - MSD Blaster SS Coils
22. Moroso Drag Race Pans 20625
23. Holley 12-1400 - Holley Dominator Billet Fuel Pumps
24. Holley 12-847 - Holley Dominator Billet Fuel Pressure Regulators
25. Holley 162-571 - Holley Dominator Billet Fuel Filters
26. Holley 162-572 - Holley Dominator Billet Fuel Filters
27. Borla XR-1 Racing Mufflers 40947m 4'' inlet / outlet
28. Moroso 65920 Low Profile Racing Air Cleaners
29. K&N X-Stream Air Flow Top Plates 66-1601
30. AJE Racing Mustang Tubular K-Member Complete Kits M34200
31. AJE Racing MU-3434 Bump Steerkit
32. Be Cool 95007 Dual Electric Fans 11''
33. Summit Racing® Direct Fit Aluminum Radiators SUM-380477 Dual Row

The Parts That I need to finish getting
1. Diamond custom Pistons & rings
2. Trick Flow A460 Cylinder Heads

Wheelie58 July 21st 2012, 10:30 pm

It sounds like you have a good start on your project. Lem Evans, one of the forum members will be able to hook you up with the parts that you need. He has blocks and such... available quickly. I am sure he will chime in.... Wink

I would reccomend the PowerPort 360 for the build. You can order them with the Trick Flow CNC job for a little extra power. On this mill, bigger will be better. Go with the bigger port....Lem and Charlie (Evans) have some good porting and valve train experience with the 605 type engine.
I run this type of setup with the same heads, ported even larger. You will be happy with either bore size, 598 or 605. Just make sure you have adequate bearing clearance with the Eagle crank and rods. They tend to be on the tight side of the spec as delivered.
I am sure others will have a few suggestions too, so I will leave it open for more help.
Look at the proven builds section. There are some proven 605 builds documented there. If it starts and runs, and is mechanically sound, it will make 1000 HP.
Welcome to the forum!

Keith Fulp
KeithFulpMotorsports.com
678-458-2033

Wheelie58 July 21st 2012, 10:43 pm

Oh...One more thing.
This engine combination will help you find any weak points in your drivetrain or chassis. I referred to my 605 as "Shredder" for a while as it was consuming converter sprags and a couple of ring and pinions as it would rattle the tires. affraid

I straightened out the chassis setup, and all of that nonsense stopped. It will force you to buy top notch parts for the rest of the car. It will have lots of torque.

Keith

CHARLIEB July 21st 2012, 10:44 pm

Thank You, Keith Fulp
I do want to personally Thank You for the reply!

rmcomprandy July 21st 2012, 10:45 pm

At that compression ratio, I wouldn't think you would need the 18 bolt head; the 10 bolt version of the A460 cylinder head would be fine. Just be sure to get the larger 2.350" intake valve option.

CHARLIEB July 21st 2012, 10:50 pm

yes it going to be a long way before I really get it to the way it should be, I also have bought a AJE K-member and I have a summit radiator with two cooling fans sometime back when the car was a 306 superchager,
next will be the 6 speed Transmission amd the rear end. I should be putting up pictures of my car its a 1990 gt mustang.

Wheelie58 July 21st 2012, 11:23 pm

rmcomprandy wrote:At that compression ratio, I wouldn't think you would need the 18 bolt head; the 10 bolt version of the A460 cylinder head would be fine. Just be sure to get the larger 2.350" intake valve option.

Good point Randy
The 18 bolt option would just add cost...
Keith

CHARLIEB July 21st 2012, 11:27 pm

The reason for the 18 bolt is because I am going to use the Ford Racing block to stoke it out to a 604 or 598 and dont want to use block fill with a fe block safety reasons. These heads dont come in a 10 bolt only in 18 bolt pattern.
so you saying that the 2.350 Valve is better then the 2.400 Valve for this build? I also seen that Total Engine Airflow had better flow numbers then the regular Trick Flow out of the box for about the same price.

CHARLIEB July 21st 2012, 11:33 pm

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jbozzelle July 22nd 2012, 12:03 am

I'd get a bigger primary tube on the header.

and since you haven't bought the block or rotating assembly yet I'd shop it around with some of the vendors here to see what they could do for you.

cool40 July 22nd 2012, 12:14 am

i'd go for a scat crank and rods over eagle,JMO. should make a nice build. Very Happy

CHARLIEB July 22nd 2012, 12:27 am

headers I already have and that is the biggest that i am going to get to fit the engine bay

CHARLIEB July 22nd 2012, 12:28 am

I will look into the Scat over Eagle

DanH July 22nd 2012, 12:34 am

CHARLIEB wrote:Hello, I am new to the site and this will be my first motor that I will have built. I am needing help choosing the heads for these build. What would be the best Heads for this setup? Trick flow 360cc or Trick Flow 340cc
First its going to be more of a street/ Strip motor than a drag race motor.
I am looking to run 11.5:1 or 10.5:1 Compression Ratio, Pump Gas 93 Octane
604 CID = 4.625 Bore, 4.500 Stroke, 6.800 Rods
598 CID = 4.600 Bore, 4.500 Stroke, 6.800 Rods
I have bought must of all the parts except for the heads and block.
I am looking to make around 1000 horsepower with this build or close to it. max. 6800 rpm

Trick Flow Airflow Results
PowerPort A460 360 with Standard Bolt Pattern 18 Bolt
Lift Value Intake Flow CFM Exhaust Flow CFM
0.100" 79 / 71
0.200" 162 / 129
0.300" 244 / 175
0.400" 308 / 216
0.500" 369 / 251
0.600" 410 / 280
0.700" 437 / 304
0.800" 453 / 321
Tests conducted at 28" of water (pressure). Bore size: 4.600";
CNC-profiled combustion chambers; intake valve: 2.400"; exhaust with 2" pipe

Trick Flow Airflow Results
PowerPort A460 340 with Standard Bolt Pattern 18 Bolt
Lift Value Intake Flow CFM Exhaust Flow CFM
0.100" 76 / 67
0.200" 160 / 120
0.300" 246 / 162
0.400" 312 / 204
0.500" 357 / 237
0.600" 392 / 264
0.700" 418 / 286
0.800" 428 / 303
Tests conducted at 28" of water (pressure). Bore size: 4.500";
CNC-profiled conbustion chambers; intake valve: 2.350"; exhaust with 2" pipe

Parts That I still need to buy for this build.
1. Ford Racing M-6010-A460 - Ford Racing 460 C.I.D. Siamese Bore Engine Blocks
2. Eagle Specialty Products 446045002200 - Eagle Forged 4340 Steel Crankshafts
3. Eagle Specialty Products 68003DL19 - Eagle ESP H-Beam Connecting Rods
4. Ford Racing M-6261-A460 - Ford Racing Roller Cam Bearings
5. Clevite Engine Parts MS1039V - Clevite V-Series Main Bearings
6. Clevite Engine Parts CB743VND - Clevite V-Series Rod Bearings
7. Ford Racing M-6261-A460 - Ford Racing Roller Cam Bearings
8. Diamond Custom Pistons

Here is a list of parts that I have already bought
1. Quick Fuel FX-4714 - Quick Fuel QFX-Series Carburetors 1450 cfm
2. Quick Fuel 300-4500-3R - Anti-Reversion Plate QFX4700 2 1/4" bore
3. Trick Flow Intake TFS-54400111- A460 Intake Manifold, R-Series A460, Single Plane, Dominator
4. Comp Cam 836-16 - Endura X Mechanical Roller Lifters
5. Comp Cam 1838-16 - Ultra Pro Mag XD 1.8 7/6 Rocker Arms
6. COMP Cams 4017 - COMP Cams Stud Girdles 7/16 in.-20
7. Trick Flow Specialties TFS-2707 - Trick Flow® Intake Gaskets
8. Fel-Pro Q1092 - Fel-Pro Performance Head Gaskets 4.700 in., 0.051 in. 18 Bolt
9. Kook's Headers 5505S - Kook's Headers 2 1/8X4 S/S BLUE THUNDER
10. Meziere Enterprises WP308U - Meziere 300 Series Electric Water Pumps 55 gpm
11. Ford Racing M-6600-A460 - Ford Racing High-Volume Oil Pumps
12. MSD Ignition 8577 - MSD Pro-Billet Distributors
13. MSD Ignition 6520 - MSD Digital-6 Plus CD Ignitions
14. MSD Ignition 8207 - MSD Blaster SS Coils
15. Milodon 31129 - Milodon Street and Strip Oil Pans
16. Milodon 32227 - Milodon Windage Trays
17. Milodon 18388 - Milodon Oil Pump Pickups
18. Holley 12-1400 - Holley Dominator Billet Fuel Pumps
19. Holley 12-847 - Holley Dominator Billet Fuel Pressure Regulators
20. Holley 162-571 - Holley Dominator Billet Fuel Filters
21. Holley 162-572 - Holley Dominator Billet Fuel Filters
22. Flowmaster 8435439 - Flowmaster Delta Force 40 Series Race Mufflers 3-1/2 in & out

your looking for 1000 HP on pump gas at 11.5 or 10.5 comp. ratio ?

dfree383 July 22nd 2012, 1:03 am

CHARLIEB wrote:yes it going to be a long way before I really get it to the way it should be, I also have bought a AJE K-member and I have a summit radiator with two cooling fans sometime back when the car was a 306 superchager,
next will be the 6 speed Transmission amd the rear end. I should be putting up pictures of my car its a 1990 gt mustang.

I'm not sure you going to get a 6 speed to live behind a 605 if you get any traction...... May want to look into an automatic.

CHARLIEB July 22nd 2012, 1:44 am

I will look to see about a automatic transmission because I believe you are right about holding up to all that power.
I will try to find a 4 speed automatic transmission.
I really want to say thank for all the input I have receive since I have posted about my build

dirt_worker July 22nd 2012, 1:45 am

wheres the coug when ya need him?

dfree383 July 22nd 2012, 3:05 am

on a budget Id suggest using a smaller cam, C6 with a tighter convertor and some mild gearing like 3.08 or 3.23.

It could be very drivable and fast as hell.

bbf-falcon July 22nd 2012, 6:30 am

dirt_worker wrote:wheres the coug when ya need him?

Thats funny.

I would go about this build a little differently since its a street car but,thats just me I guess. Should be fun though. Good luck and welcome to the forum. Very Happy

bigblok2000ranger July 22nd 2012, 8:53 am

My only suggestion would be to get an Eliminator block vs. the Motorsport piece, the Eliminator can be had starting at a 4.600 bore and go ~.130 from there where the Motorsport block may be on the ragged edge at 4.600+ I believe it is ~$300 more but money well spent IMHO. I am getting mine through Rich Wilhelm at Circle R when we go up to 598 cubes on the next build. He is also very good with the A460 heads, has mine flowing better than the 340's through smaller valves and smaller test bore.

schmitty July 22nd 2012, 9:57 am

Eliminator blocks are nice, but the availability is sketchy at best most of the time. Nothing wrong with the A block, and they are readily available. As far as being on the ragged edge at 4.625, that is more myth than reality. Mine is 4.625 and over 1k hp and there is no problem with it. I'd go with the 4.600 bore 598 and save some material for down the road. I'm also going to say that with that power level, streetability is going to be a "relative" term, and I hope you understand that this isn't going to be as fun to drive as you would think. Jon Kasse built a Mustang with a large ci Boss engine, and realized that it was a handful to drive on the street. It isn't so much the hp as it is the torque that these large engines make. A little too much throttle, and the tires break loose and you are in big trouble. A good cooling system is going to be paramount also with kind of power on the street aslo. It sounds like a nice build and should be fun. Cool

Lem Evans July 22nd 2012, 11:07 am

I doubt that cam is what you are going to need.

bigblok2000ranger July 22nd 2012, 11:15 am

I may have stated that the wrong way, what I meant was the A460 block is getting a little thin at 4.600" and at ~$2200 plus the cost to get it to 4.600" to me a guy would be money ahead to get the Eliminator which starts at 4.600" and have alot of room to bore if needed.

It's more a matter of taste I guess to me if I am gonna spend the money on the aftermarket block I want the room to grow if needed. I am not knocking the A460 block it's a great block! Just me personally if I was gonna go with the A block I would start around 4.500" and have the .130" to grow.

CHARLIEB July 22nd 2012, 11:28 am

No you are absolute correct about the way to go on the block, what it is going to cost for boring it out to 4.625 it will be close to the same price. I had look at the premiere block but on some site I heard about lifter bore problems and something about the bottom end. I will have to go back and research this block again. Thanks for the Info.

bigblok2000ranger July 22nd 2012, 11:37 am

Give Rich a call like we talked about he knows the ins and outs of the blocks pretty well and will definitely get you where you need to be.

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