Re: Ford 598 Pump Gas Street / Strip Motor

the Coug July 22nd 2012, 12:43 pm

dirt_worker wrote:wheres the coug when ya need him?

unlike you I have a real job and have been working a Bu%%load of OT, and I figure let you Pros give him advise.....

I would get rid of those flowless master mufflers....

jbozzelle July 22nd 2012, 12:45 pm

CHARLIEB wrote:headers I already have and that is the biggest that i am going to get to fit the engine bay

I think D&D makes a 2.25" pri tube design. Some guys on here have them. One tube runs over the frame and down behind the front wheel.

CHARLIEB July 22nd 2012, 12:53 pm

Well I ordered my headers from jegs and the were custom made through Kooks Headers and I recieved them about a week ago after a month wait, the same for my intake that I oreded from Summit Racing it also took a month and they came in about the same time. I dont know if that will take them back or not since they were made to order.

CHARLIEB July 22nd 2012, 1:02 pm

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John Myrick July 22nd 2012, 1:08 pm

Where did you copy this from ?

CHARLIEB wrote:920 Horsepower
As you might have guessed, building the 600 cubic inch big block involved some creative thinking too. The engine had to meet some very tough criteria:
•Make at least 900 horsepower
•Be streetable with a broad, usable torque curve
•Operate on premium pump gas
•Use as many off-the-shelf components as possible

The tale of the dyno chart—920 peak horsepower and 810 lbs.-ft. of peak torque. And The torque curve never dipped below 686 foot-pounds from 4,500 rpm on up. Stirring that kind of twist with a six-speed manual in a car as awesome as SR61 is fun that’s probably not legal in 49 out of 50 states.

Listing of: DT600404 (C:WINDYN\901\DATA\DT600404.SFD)
Channel Group: Corrected Power Page 1
Printed on Sep 2, 2005 at 12:48:34
Test Description: Accel. Test - 300 rpm/second
EngSpd STPTrq STPPwr Fuel A Fuel B A/F Air 1 Oil P Vol Eff
RPM Clb - ft CHp lb/hr lb/hr Ratio scfm psig %
4500 809.5 650.0 126.6 83.8 0.00 0 76.0 0.0
4600 808.8 682.0 124.2 91.5 0.00 0 76.3 0.0
4700 808.0 698.5 127.4 108.5 0.00 0 76.8 0.0
4800 806.6 711.4 131.1 114.8 0.00 0 77.3 0.0
4900 804.6 724.2 132.1 116.9 0.00 0 78.1 0.0
5000 801.5 742.7 140.9 114.7 0.00 0 78.4 0.0
5100 797.6 764.1 145.6 122.5 0.00 0 78.8 0.0
5200 792.6 777.6 150.5 129.9 0.00 0 79.4 0.0
5300 786.6 789.0 147.5 130.3 0.00 0 79.9 0.0
5400 780.0 799.4 143.8 144.4 0.00 0 80.4 0.0
5500 772.8 809.5 144.6 146.7 0.00 0 81.1 0.0
5600 765.1 825.8 139.6 135.1 0.00 0 82.1 0.0
5700 757.0 841.2 149.7 135.3 0.00 0 83.3 0.0
5800 748.6 854.1 145.8 137.9 0.00 0 83.3 0.0
5900 739.6 867.4 145.1 153.6 0.00 0 83.4 0.0
6000 730.6 876.9 145.9 137.9 0.00 0 84.0 0.0
6100 721.6 883.8 152.3 144.9 0.00 0 84.3 0.0
6200 712.6 894.3 157.2 142.8 0.00 0 84.5 0.0
6300 704.4 906.0 151.5 140.8 0.00 0 84.7 0.0
6400 696.9 909.5 177.3 197.1 0.00 0 84.7 0.0
6500 691.0 919.6 177.0 165.7 0.00 0 84.7 0.0
6600 687.4 916.5 157.0 151.3 0.00 0 85.1 0.0
6700 686.1 919.9 173.0 153.3 0.00 0 85.1 0.0

kim July 22nd 2012, 1:28 pm

Isnt that the Boss headed engine Kasse built?

Nope read the rest of it.. guess not.

CHARLIEB July 22nd 2012, 1:30 pm

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CHARLIEB July 22nd 2012, 1:30 pm

kim wrote:Isnt that the Boss headed engine Kasse built?

http://www.summitracing.com/expertadvice/storydetail/techarticles/Project-SR61-Part-7-920-Horsepower-for-Summit-Racings-1961-Starliner/

CHARLIEB July 22nd 2012, 1:32 pm

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dirt_worker July 22nd 2012, 1:54 pm

here's the deal....
the guys here have been down about every bbf road there has ever been. Theyre not here to steer you wrong (most of them anyways). forget what the magazines and your buddies are telling you and listen to the advice the guys here provide and I guarantee you won't be dissapointed. your combination will work better and most likely be built for cheaper than had you not asked and listened to the knowledge thats available.

rmcomprandy July 22nd 2012, 2:53 pm

CHARLIEB wrote:920 Horsepower
As you might have guessed, building the 600 cubic inch big block involved some creative thinking too. The engine had to meet some very tough criteria:
•Make at least 900 horsepower
•Be streetable with a broad, usable torque curve
•Operate on premium pump gas
•Use as many off-the-shelf components as possible

The tale of the dyno chart—920 peak horsepower and 810 lbs.-ft. of peak torque. And The torque curve never dipped below 686 foot-pounds from 4,500 rpm on up. Stirring that kind of twist with a six-speed manual in a car as awesome as SR61 is fun that’s probably not legal in 49 out of 50 states.

Listing of: DT600404 (C:WINDYN\901\DATA\DT600404.SFD)
Channel Group: Corrected Power Page 1
Printed on Sep 2, 2005 at 12:48:34
Test Description: Accel. Test - 300 rpm/second
EngSpd STPTrq STPPwr Fuel A Fuel B A/F Air 1 Oil P Vol Eff
RPM Clb - ft CHp lb/hr lb/hr Ratio scfm psig %
4500 809.5 650.0 126.6 83.8 0.00 0 76.0 0.0
4600 808.8 682.0 124.2 91.5 0.00 0 76.3 0.0
4700 808.0 698.5 127.4 108.5 0.00 0 76.8 0.0
4800 806.6 711.4 131.1 114.8 0.00 0 77.3 0.0
4900 804.6 724.2 132.1 116.9 0.00 0 78.1 0.0
5000 801.5 742.7 140.9 114.7 0.00 0 78.4 0.0
5100 797.6 764.1 145.6 122.5 0.00 0 78.8 0.0
5200 792.6 777.6 150.5 129.9 0.00 0 79.4 0.0
5300 786.6 789.0 147.5 130.3 0.00 0 79.9 0.0
5400 780.0 799.4 143.8 144.4 0.00 0 80.4 0.0
5500 772.8 809.5 144.6 146.7 0.00 0 81.1 0.0
5600 765.1 825.8 139.6 135.1 0.00 0 82.1 0.0
5700 757.0 841.2 149.7 135.3 0.00 0 83.3 0.0
5800 748.6 854.1 145.8 137.9 0.00 0 83.3 0.0
5900 739.6 867.4 145.1 153.6 0.00 0 83.4 0.0
6000 730.6 876.9 145.9 137.9 0.00 0 84.0 0.0
6100 721.6 883.8 152.3 144.9 0.00 0 84.3 0.0
6200 712.6 894.3 157.2 142.8 0.00 0 84.5 0.0
6300 704.4 906.0 151.5 140.8 0.00 0 84.7 0.0
6400 696.9 909.5 177.3 197.1 0.00 0 84.7 0.0
6500 691.0 919.6 177.0 165.7 0.00 0 84.7 0.0
6600 687.4 916.5 157.0 151.3 0.00 0 85.1 0.0
6700 686.1 919.9 173.0 153.3 0.00 0 85.1 0.0

SO, you don't need any advice after all. You already have your plan of action. Just copy everything they did and you'll obviously be happy.

Nobody wants an arguement ... just DO whatever you wish to DO.

richter69 July 22nd 2012, 3:10 pm

the Coug wrote:
dirt_worker wrote:wheres the coug when ya need him?

unlike you I have a real job and have been working a Bu%%load of OT, and I figure let you Pros give him advise.....

I would get rid of those flowless master mufflers....

get back to work Coug!!!!!....... Wink

CHARLIEB July 22nd 2012, 3:33 pm

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bigblok2000ranger July 22nd 2012, 3:37 pm

A guy can have a rough plan and still want or need advice. When I went to Rich I had a couple plans and we discussed where I wanted to be and we developed a plan and we were very interactive on the project. I am confident the engine is where we wanted it and now I have to get my truck dialed in.

CHARLIEB July 22nd 2012, 3:38 pm

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CHARLIEB July 22nd 2012, 3:40 pm

SO, you don't need any advice after all. You already have your plan of action. Just copy everything they did and you'll obviously be happy.

Nobody wants an arguement ... just DO whatever you wish to DO.[/quote]

bruno July 22nd 2012, 4:03 pm

was interested in this thread ....wth happen to your posts charlieb ?????

CHARLIEB July 22nd 2012, 4:34 pm

bruno wrote:was interested in this thread ....wth happen to your posts charlieb ?????

No I guess I offened some people because from what I put up as a post, really I did not mean to offend anyone at all.
I just thought I would post two motors that did well from two builders on the internet. That I found and somebody ask me about one where did I find it and then I posted another one. I am new here and I dont know what is the do's and dont's but I guess I learn pretty quick. lol I feel that everybody opinion means a lot to me I have seen a lot of people here have told me some good advise that I did not know and I would have done something different. Right Now I dont now if I want to go with a street motor or a drag race motor, The only reason I wanted a street motor is the fact here in my city we dont have a track and the nearest track is about two hours away. I did not to have a car that I would not be able to drive every weekend or for a short distance. but what I have put and still need to do is it worth making a street motor and just go all out. I did talk with Mr. Lem Evans today and he is going to give me a price on a short block, but I need to decide on which way I am going with this build soon. Thank you for your interest and I am open for ideas anytime.
Charlieb.

bigblok2000ranger July 22nd 2012, 4:44 pm

Charlie their are several ways to go about getting the power you want, I am interested in seeing how your deal turns out as I am a big fan of pumpgas builds and guys building power with out of the box parts. It shows how great some of the products that are available for these engines are. I took alot of flack when I did my pumpgas 523 so you are gonna need a strong will. I made the power I wanted and then some with that build and it was fun, I decided to step up the game with the latest engine and decided to have an engine builder do it because I was out of my league, I have learned a great deal about making ~1000hp in the process.

dirt_worker July 22nd 2012, 5:03 pm

I in no way was offended...I just know firsthand how these guys have helped me(and many others) from spending a lot of money on parts that wouldn't fit or be correct for the application. I just recently finished up an Aheaded 557 on pumpgas... we got similiar results to the builds you mentioned.
check it out here...

https://www.429-460.com/t14610-dyno-results-a-headed-557-on-91-octane-pump-gas

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